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April 5, 2013

To the editor: Sold! “Business and labor,” meaning lobbyists for powerful corporations and unions, have reached agreement with the “Gang of Eight” on how the federal government will reward the......

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BigSlik1944

Apr-14-13 11:50 AM

WOW!! A disagree on one word. That has GOT to be a record.

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Anderson

Apr-13-13 2:58 PM

...likely!

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Anderson

Apr-13-13 2:58 PM

But that, Kratos, was 1886, before the welfare and entitlement state, with lots of free land yet out west and immigrants who only sought opportunity to improve their and their children's lives through their own, individual effort, not taking their sustenance from the work of others. And as for that "let them all come idea": no cohesive society, ancient or modern, has long survived the massive immigration of ethnically different people as defined by language and/or religion. Everywhere that has lead, eventually, to internal division, fragmentation and dissolution, except in a most decentralized, confederal of systems such as that in Switzerland where all basic social controls devolve to the linguistically and religiously homogenous unit, the canton. Recently devolved or devolving countries include not just the USSR and Yugoslavia - now 15 and 10 countries, respectively - but such long-established democracies as the UK and Belgium, liberal ideology notwithstanding. Utopia? Not

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kr8t0s

Apr-13-13 1:54 AM

No one ever asks the real important question "what would Jesus do?" Not the Christian Jesus. Mexican Jesus. Would he "cross" the border illegally? Seriously though, who cares? Let them come. As our proud Statue of Liberty says "“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door." Kratos has spoken!

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BigSlik1944

Apr-12-13 1:14 PM

Once again, 3 disagrees on my last comment, yet nobody comes up with a rebuttal showing me wrong. Could it be because it's true and there's nothing about the statement they can rebuttal against?

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jamesf

Apr-11-13 6:56 PM

Bub, I know all about the past. I just do not live in it. Try living in the present...give it a go!

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Anderson

Apr-11-13 4:02 PM

Walter Williams is very much alive, bubu, and cites Douglas and Washington only to elucidate today's readers re a history that continues to this day; e.g. did you know that unemployment among blacks was consistently lower than among whites BEFORE the New Deal brought in the National Labor Relations & Minimum Wage Acts? I worked with labor economics and labor unions for two decades and assure you soundco is absolutely right: unions, both AFL and CIO, long diminished employment opportunities of black workers. Multiculturism has never typified the American labor movement any more than those elsewhere in the world. Western and other supposedly liberal countries continue to come apart everywhere over ethnic divisions; clearly, the U.S. is not immune to similar internal divisions and strife absent amalgamation and assimilation, which is a slow, fraughtful process.

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bububud

Apr-11-13 2:09 AM

jamesf...Your assumption concerning me is sooooo wrong...I'm getting a good laugh at your post. Again, I think a little study of America's past would be of great benefit to you...give it a go!

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jamesf

Apr-10-13 10:11 PM

Bub, like I said, you live in the past. Get over it and move on. Never forget but do not let it consume you. You sound like one very lonely and bitter person who blames his/her lot in life on the past. Thats like me saying "Im on welfare because 200 years ago my ancesters were slaves and it scars me to this day." ENOUGH ALREADY. Throw the excuses and crutches away and take some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY for your life and quit blaming it on things that happened before the civil war.

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BigSlik1944

Apr-10-13 7:17 PM

FM2 Visa

If you are planning to live in Mexico full time and on a permanent basis, you may want to get an FM2 Immigrant Visa. This visa is similar to a resident alien visa, and will give you the right to work in Mexico. In fact, you will have many of the same rights as Mexicans except for the right to vote. After you have FM2 status for five years, you may seek permanent residence status. The qualifications for this type of visa are similar to the FM3 requirements, but you must show a slightly higher level of monthly income, such as $1,200 a month. Did you notice that this DOES NOT give you the right to vote. Maybe America ought to take a lesson from Mexico on this one. Just sayin'.

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BigSlik1944

Apr-10-13 7:10 PM

WOW!! 4 disagrees yet no one wants to address the comment.

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bububud

Apr-10-13 2:44 AM

jamesf...It might serve you well to make an effort in examining America's past. Maybe if you were on the receiving end of discrimination and segregation or your rights as a worker being trampled on or even your right to vote being challenged, you might think differently. There's plenty of shame in our history to go around...learn of it and our struggles to rectify this shame...you were the beneficiary of the struggles of others and as American's we should honor their sacrifices by at the least remembering them and guarding ourselves against those who would like to see a return to the past. You might start by reading our Constitution!

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BigSlik1944

Apr-10-13 2:07 AM

For those who feel it's ok for the illegals to come into the US, take a look at Mexico's southernmost borders. And while you're at it, take a look at what Mexico requires of someone wanting to reside in their country. Proof of income, just to quote one.

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jamesf

Apr-09-13 10:45 PM

Bub, I do not live in the past, why are you? People use racisim as a crutch. By the way, it sounds like YOU have an issue with race.

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bububud

Apr-09-13 11:11 AM

soundco...You're citing two writings from the post civil war era of reconstruction and saying their points have always been the case involving labor unions of the 20th and 21st centuries??? Maybe you also need a review of America's labor movement and why it came about in the first place! Believe me, it wasn't because "the company" was being too good to the worker!

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bububud

Apr-08-13 11:11 PM

jamesf...Maybe you don't have an issue with race, but many do! This is America after all, we do have a history concerning race. If you are white, you've had a certain advantage. Maybe you should make a review of that history. While you are at it, do a review of the American labor movement and why unions developed in the first place and the role they played in bringing dignity to many workers and an American middle class. I'm sure even you benefited from that struggle! The hiring of illegals and stories of American practices abroad bring back that sad history whether you want to admit it or not! Profit is good, as long as worker dignity is a part of it!

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jamesf

Apr-08-13 7:50 PM

Also Bub, profit is behind EVERY business. Why else start one? If you hate capitalism so much, what are you doing here(in the U.S.A.)?

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jamesf

Apr-08-13 7:41 PM

Bub, I could care less what color they are. Do not try to pull the race card. It does not matter what color you are. You are illegal if you sneak across the border or over stay your visa. Would you still feel the way you do about illegals if you or a family member lost your job to one? They broke the law. You say that they do what they do out of desperation and empty stomachs? What if a person robs a bank only to get money to feed his family? Is he breaking the law?

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bububud

Apr-08-13 4:24 PM

A question...If your stomach was empty most of the time and you looked at your family and saw no future for your children in Mexico, for example, and got word of jobs in the U.S., what would you do? It's called DESPERATION! It built America! A hope for a future that can't wait for several years to be legal. What would any of us do? Certain American businesses took advantage in search of cheap labor..the welfare of the worker was of no importance, others would bear that cost! Profit was behind it all...isn't that what capitalism is all about? I wonder, if the illegals were white and spoke english, would there still be calls of building a 1700 mile wall?

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jamesf

Apr-07-13 9:35 PM

Soundco, you nailed it. There is going to come a time when there are more "takers" than "givers". Then what?

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Anderson

Apr-07-13 3:40 PM

Noonan re Lee Kuan Yew's views on impact of immigration on the U.S. - "What can destroy America is 'multiculturism' which [Lee] speaks of as not an appreciation of of all cultures but a gradual surrendering of the essential culture that has sustained America since its beginning. That culture - its creativity and hardiness, its political and economic traditions - is great, and it would be 'sad for America to be changed even partially.' Will waves of of immigrants from the south assimilate, or will America become 'more Latin American?' America must continue to invite in all the most gifted and hard-working people in the world, but it must not lose its culture, which is the secret of its success." (WSJ 4/67-7/13. p. A13.)

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Anderson

Apr-07-13 3:19 PM

Common, ColB, you can't go through life so ignorant of the basic facts of economic life. Do go to "fee dot com" for a free download of Henry Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson." I'll bet it will change many of your views re business and economics and roles govts and unions in screwing things up, including creation of the very monopolistic business conglomerates you decry.

As for US immigration policy, see WSJ4/6-7/13, p. A13, for Noonan's brief of Lee Kuan Yew's "friendly advice to America contained in a book of his interviews, speeches and writings, one para of which I have quoted above because it displays evidence of a worldliness absolutely lacking in congressional consideration of the subject.

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Colonelbanters

Apr-07-13 4:19 AM

You must be a Christian Soundco-lol! Where did THAT come from? Why won't you see your Social Security? It's yours, you earned and SS is is safe for decades at least. I agree about the deadbeats though and those deadbeats are the multi-national corporations of the world. What is it now, we spend about $100 on corporate welfare for every $1 dollar on social welfare like assistance & food stamps. The ones that get 100 times more are still trying to squeeze more out of the rest of us, including those on real assistance.

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Colonelbanters

Apr-06-13 3:21 PM

I'm sure if Fox were to ever even mention Reagan's amnesty, it would sound much rosier than Obama's limited version of it. Doesn't it make you wonder why the corporations gaining the most from this cheap labor are always protected or ignored by our laws? IBP places ads in newspapers throughout Latin America touting jobs in Iowa & elsewhere. Why don't we come down like a hammer on these employers? Well, they pay your representatives more than you do and if American labor was the only option, they would be smart enough to know when they are being treated unfairly, organize and then cost more for a big business to operate because Americans would demand that they at least are paid enough to live on and you can't blame them for that but, the Republicans try to blame them daily by laughably demonizing workers unions. You conservatives REALLY need to get your facts straight before commenting on such matters-which does mean no more Fox, Rush, Beck, etc.

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Colonelbanters

Apr-06-13 3:11 PM

Look, this is getting to be an old battle being waged with a lot of smoke & mirrors. Punky is correct that Obama has deported far more illegals than any other President which you won't hear on Fox so, most of you in FD don't know about it. He hasn't deported more because there are more coming in because the numbers of them entering has dropped drastically when Bush helped tank the economy because there were fewer jobs to be had and even they knew that. For years now, the Republicans have publicly stated that they are against these illegals and then call themselves the "party of inclusion" which is not only a joke to me but, to the Hispanic population which might be the main reason they vote against the Republicans. The fact is, the Republicans in private are the biggest pushers of these illegals as they represent a chance to have very cheap labor who can't fight back. America's favorite dimwit-Ronal Reagan-gave amnesty to all illegals in 1986.

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