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Sidewalk cafe rules change advances

FD panel requests ban on smoking areas

March 27, 2013

A streamlined process for allowing the creation of cafes and retail areas on the sidewalks of downtown Fort Dodge was endorsed Tuesday by the city’s Plan and Zoning Commission....

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Anderson

Mar-27-13 10:49 AM

Shucks, bh, I was kind of looking forward to Dodge becoming the Champs-d'Elysees of Iowa, with my dog, a good cigar and a glass of champagne at the least! Was imagining Central Avenue full of fellow "boulevardiers" ogling Iowa's corn-fed "'damselles"instead of virtually deserted as it is now. Killjoy!

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TAXEDENOUGH

Mar-27-13 10:41 PM

hbockoven, just more freedoms lost because others on both sides of the isle no what is best for us according to them.

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roadrunner180

Mar-27-13 11:39 PM

Quite awhile back, we had the grandkids in the outdoor section of a Panera restaurant in DSM. A family was sitting at a table having a really good time. The family dog was right there with them & also had a chair at the table & was dining with them. It was outside so they were allowed to do that. So, of course, that is the first choice where the kids want to go for lunch whenever their mom & dad take them to DSM during the summer. So, sidewalk cafes that are family & pet friendly would be a good choice for FD.

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roadrunner180

Mar-28-13 9:31 PM

Having dogs sitting at the outdoor tables @ the Panera restaurant sure hasn't hurt their business. I'd rather eat at a table with a dog than some people. lol The whole world is going restriction crazy anymore. When does it end?

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BornRaisedinFD

Mar-29-13 4:32 PM

hbockoven... driving drunk is against the law. So is smoking in many areas. It was passed by the Iowa Legislature in 2008. Its called the Iowa Smokefree Air Act. Many people do not like to smell nor do they want to breathe in second hand smoke. Second hand smoke IS harmful. And to answer your question, yes the guy with a cigarette or cigar OUTSIDE is the threat to peoples safety! The are having to breathe harmful cigarette smoke simply because some rude individual wants to harm himself and does not care what others want.

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jammer

Mar-30-13 1:09 PM

LOL....BRFD, Do you honestly believe all that crap you just wrote? How very sad if you do. We're just suppose to roll over and accept all these regulation whether thay make sence or not? "Shakes head in disgust".

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BornRaisedinFD

Mar-30-13 5:42 PM

hbockoven.... I feel bad for you. You have no clue. If you are 3 houses down then fine. But, if someone is standing there smoking and I walk up I am forced to breathe their cigarette smoke. Some facts about second hand smoke: Secondhand smoke exposure causes heart disease and lung cancer in nonsmoking adults. Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or work increase their heart disease risk by 25–30% and their lung cancer risk by 20–30%. Breathing secondhand smoke has immediate harmful effects on the cardiovascular system that can increase the risk of heart attack. People who already have heart disease are at especially high risk. Secondhand smoke exposure causes respiratory symptoms in children and slows their lung growth. Secondhand smoke causes sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), acute respiratory infections, ear problems, and more frequent and severe asthma attacks in children. There is no risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure. Brief exposure can be dangerous

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BornRaisedinFD

Mar-30-13 5:48 PM

jammer... It has been proven second hand smoke is dangerous. Do you smoke around your kids? Grandkids? The Iowa legislature passed the Iowa Smoke Free Air Act. If you don't like it, express your opinion vote! (unless you are a convicted felon)

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jamesf

Mar-30-13 8:51 PM

Whats a convicted felon have to do with this?

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BornRaisedinFD

Mar-30-13 11:51 PM

hbockoven...we are talking about smoking, not the internal combustion engine. Typical switch the argument when you don't know what to say! :) Smoking causes cancer. It CAN be avoided easily! Secondhand smoke causes cancer! It CAN be avoided! So let me get this right, when it comes to smoking you want no govt involvement, but when it comes to car engines you DO want govt involvement? Oh, to jamesf... I was speaking about voting, a convicted felon cannot vote.

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jammer

Mar-31-13 11:07 AM

BRFD, See my opinion is if you have the cancer gene, your going to get cancer whether you smoke or not. I'll just bet that the number of smokers that do not get lung cancer out weights the number of non smokers getting lung cancer. There are a lot of smokers out there living well into their 80's 90's. what's your answer to that?

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BornRaisedinFD

Mar-31-13 10:12 PM

jammer...why don't you come up with some facts on smokers versus non smokers instead of just pulling it out of your but_! As far as smokers living well into their 80's and 90's, maybe, but again where's your facts? And even if a smoker lives past 80 many of them are not living well. How many do you see toting oxygen around? Smoking contributes to 80 percent and 90 percent of lung cancer deaths in women and men, respectively. Men who smoke are 23 times more likely to develop lung cancer. Women are 13 times more likely, compared to never smokers. Nonsmokers have a 20-30 percent greater chance of developing lung cancer if they are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or work. Smoking causes 90 per cent of lung cancers. That is from the Amer. Lung Association. jammer...a question...are you a smoker? if yes do you smoke in front of your kids or grandkids? If you do smoke in front of them you should google Iowa Smokefree Air act and look at the facts about second hand smoke.

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BornRaisedinFD

Mar-31-13 10:24 PM

hbockoven...no, I do want cleaner air. Most smoking related issues are indoor related, but local govts are trying to protect the public from second hand smoke... like when you see a bunch of employees standing around the entrance to a business and people have to walk thru a thick cloud of smoke. As I have stated, according to CDC there is no risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure. Even brief exposure can be dangerous. As far as exhaust gases go, it is far tougher to control those then cigarette smoke. Cigarette smoke can be controlled with little cost to the public. The Obama administration is proposing tougher regulations for exhaust gases. I have nothing against smokers, other than I do not wish to contaminate my lungs any further than I already did when I was younger and a smoker. If they wish to contaminate their lungs fine, but do NOT make me breathe their second hand smoke!

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