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Drone policy requires scrutiny

February 22, 2013

Penning hard-core terrorists up at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba was a bad idea, President Barack Obama has said....

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Anderson

Mar-07-13 5:04 PM

Sorry, brucee, you're off base again; this is about utilization of armed drones in the US, not abroad, a al Bush/Cheney. So far here, it's Rand Paul/Constitution, 1; Obama/Holder, 0.

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Brucee

Mar-07-13 2:17 PM

Hey i guess i am wrong on this one, if its good enough for Bush/Cheney then its good enough for andee or I mean the Prez...

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Anderson

Mar-07-13 10:38 AM

Just think how much easier - and cheaper - it would have been for Clinton and his lady AG to wipe out those 83 Branch Davidians had they had a drone to use instead of merely ATF & FBI agents, tanks, bulldozers, helos, etc. And who in the world would imagine that our Agitator-in-Chief and Holder might misuse drones domestically given their scrupulous fidelity to our Constitution and the rule of law? Pshaw!

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BigSlik1944

Mar-06-13 3:53 PM

For you BHO/Eric Holder supporters, Washington could conceivably launch lethal combat-drone strikes on Americans on U.S. soil without trial, Attorney General Eric Holder said. So much for our due process. "It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the president to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States," Holder said. Anybody feel safe now?

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Anderson

Feb-25-13 10:22 AM

With you on this one, bubu. Neither Marquis of Queensbury nor our Constitutional rules applied to those Barbary Coast pirates when Jefferson sent our marines in there to clean them out and they don't apply outside the US now when anyone, foreigner or American, turns to violence against us. If someone doesn't want to get hit, stop or get out of the way. I am concerned, however, with the use of surveillance drones in the US and about all the extra legal and unconstitutional shenanigans Obama and Holder are engaged in. Makes me wonder what Harvard Law was teaching the Agitator-in-Chief when he was up there.

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bububud

Feb-24-13 6:27 PM

Ever since the caveman picked up a rock or club and killed his brother, man has been developing better and more efficient ways to kill an enemy with minimal damage to himself. Technology marches on, buds! When we invaded Iraq, our intent was to prevent the further development of weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist and destroy terrorist training camps that didn't exist. We used the technology available to us and killed conservatively 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children and lost nearly 5,000 of our bravest. I didn't hear much concern from righty's then! The drone has saved us billions! It has been used efficiently to destroy much of the al queda heirarchy with no American loss of life. Welcome to another step forward in warfare. Are righty's now willing to come to the defense of those who want to kill us in their desire to discredit President Obama? Seems so!

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BigSlik1944

Feb-24-13 11:51 AM

I'm with you, soundco. Get "disagrees" on a lot of my comments too but nobody has the stones to say what it is about them that they disagree with.

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Anderson

Feb-23-13 5:38 PM

We know you know everything Brucee, except what experience you base all your view upon. So go on making the same mistakes again and then, perhaps, you will have really learned something. How about a CV? Hope it's better than that of our poorly informed and grossly inexperienced - yet omniscient - peripatetic Agitator-in-Chief. Lordy, how much better - and economical - were those "fireside chats" than are all those 747 flights! No TV?

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BigSlik1944

Feb-23-13 1:19 PM

Taxed, yes I have heard of WWII. My dad fought in it, my grandfather in WWI, and yes I have been in battle. I've held a dying buddy and remember the last thing he said was "mommy". Can you say the same? If you haven't walked in my shoes, shut the h e l l up! And as for the 2 atomic bombs, that was a declared war, not at all like what we are fighting now or fought in Vietnam.

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Brucee

Feb-23-13 11:59 AM

yep andee at it again, u learned so much alright, so what did u learn from nam, to go right back at it in iraq and all the rest. Take your wind and go fly your kite andee quick trying to convince us of your superior knowledge all the time we know u know a lot about hind sight like most of your kind..but then maybe u dont...lol

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Anderson

Feb-23-13 10:17 AM

I devoted a lot more than 4 years to serving the US in the military and otherwise. Unlike you though, Taxed, I have never stopped learning by delving into world history to learn where we have come from, where we are and how we got here, and where we may be going. Any generation whose world view is shaped by little more than its own personal experiences is bound to lead us into trouble. Obama, Kerry and Hagel are three such - thus, "myopic." One learns from the past or is doomed to repeat it, and the past was not that pleasant. That's why I recommend reading "Empire," "Civilization," "A history of the American People," "Postwar," and "The Road to Serfdom" as a relatively quick way to understand better the very complex world in which we live. There is no simple, easy way to a just and glorious future but we should not ignore signposts from the past.

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TAXEDENOUGH

Feb-22-13 10:54 PM

I still love this country. I donated 4 years to it for low pay and a hard life. For some that didn't but complain about this country maybe it's not to late to put your time in by helping instead of complaining. Changes need to be made but people like Anderson are not the solution.

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Anderson

Feb-22-13 5:46 PM

Taxed...if you can wade through "The Road to Serfdom" you'll see exactly where Obama's policies are taking us - so I, too, am keeping my guns ready! Don't recall Bush using drones but in an active war zone such as Afghanistan and the no-man's-land along its Pakistani border. Someone other than the US, and that includes Obama, has spread the war against al-Quaida terrorists - which, incidentally, Congress approved - to Yemen and into North Africa more recently. The Democrats' and the media's double standard vis-a-vis Bush and Obama should be perfectly clear to all now to all but the most ideologically bent. I have watched people die in two wars; it was not nice to see in either, but such deaths have been far fewer when someone maintains a degree of global stability, as have Great Britain and, more recently, the US. I shudder to think what happens when the Obama/Kerry/Hagel world view - shaped by their myopic takes on history and international relations - holds sway.

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TAXEDENOUGH

Feb-22-13 5:00 PM

Anderson, do you really believe the Republicans would have brought these drones up if Bush was still in office? They had the drones when he was in and you never heard any complaints from them. I respect your opinion and agree with some of the things you say, but I think your way off base if you don't think the Republican party is out to do anything and everything to make sure Obama fails. These politicians (both parties) are driving a wedge into this country. I just hope we don't have to go through another civil war. They need to put their country ahead of their party and money. I've got my guns and ammo if we do have another civil war but I'm not going to go after my neighbor if there is one. I'll be looking for the ones that created it.

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TAXEDENOUGH

Feb-22-13 4:46 PM

BigSlik1944, have you ever heard of WW2? An atomic bomb was dropped to prevent the deaths of more American soldiers. I suppose you would disagree with that President for ordering the dropping of that bomb. Twice. Have you ever been in battle? Sometimes as President you have to make decisions that might not be popular. But ask all the World War 2 vets what they thought about dropping those bombs. I doubt if any would agree with your who lives or dies statement. Sometimes it is nessesary when your at war with terroists and fanatics. Its the world we live in. Also I do not like any of these politicans, as far as I'm concerned there all crooked and corrupt. Also this President did not start the process of holding somebody for ever with out charges. It is a practice that has been used a lot of times in which I think is totally wrong. Maybe you should do some research on some of these things before you start running another person down because you don't like their opinion.

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Anderson

Feb-22-13 12:22 PM

Taxed: you should read the NYTimes and all the other far-left propaganda sheets, or just listen to NBC, CBS, ABC and MSNBC sometime as I'm sure you must, to see the depth of the problem you attribute to our little old Messenger. Get some perspective! As for the subject,if someone get between the armed soldier and the enemy, too bad. I'm much less concerned with Obama's execution of the fight with terrorist abroad than I am with his and Holder persecution of opponents in the US for purely domestic political reasons.

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BigSlik1944

Feb-22-13 12:20 PM

Taxed, I wouldn't care if the POTUS was purple or green, Democrat, Republican or Independent; no human on earth has the authority to determine who lives or dies. And as far as puppets go, Main stream media has been a puppet for BHO's administration since day one. WHY? And as for drones, look at what is happening to the airwing in Des Moines; they're going to be replaced by drones. And your buddy BHO's group has the audacity to create a medal for these operators that ranks higher than the Purple Heart or Bronze Star w/V device? For what; carpal tunnel, paper cut, b u t t blisters? Read up on what your idol is doing and read it with an open mind. He can detain people without proof for an indefinite period of time w/o charges being filed. If that isn't being a dictator, what else would you call it?!

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TAXEDENOUGH

Feb-22-13 11:08 AM

The Republicans in congress would have no problem with this policy under a Republican President except it is a Democrat non-white President that they hate so there is no way then can support or trust anything he does. This editorial staff has no respect for him but bent over backwards when Bush and Cheney sent over 4000 American soldiers to their death in an unjustified war. That is the real shame. A paper that is just a propoganda puppet for 1 party is the real downfall of this country. The trust in news has gone downhill because of all these phony articles.

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