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January 26, 2013

To the editor: On Jan. 16, President Obama introduced 23 measures designed to curb gun violence. In his proposals, he intends to ban military-style assault weapons like “the ones used in Newtown....

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Anderson

Feb-10-13 1:32 PM

Oh, Brucee, do study history - and grow up, too: Hitler's mobilization and INDOCTRINATION of German youth did not begin with weapons on their shoulders, and neither did FDR's CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps, but shovels and rakes were a perfect substitute until both had the youth of their countries trained, charged up and armed for war. FEMA Corps? A rose by any other name...

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BigSlik1944

Feb-01-13 12:03 AM

hbockoven, your first sentence sure looks a lot like a copy and paste from bububud. Can't come up with your own lead-in line so you have to copy his? And from the looks of it, the two of you must be die-hard Democrats. And I have NO intention of ever selling my SECURED guns so I'm not worried about liability.

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bububud

Jan-31-13 11:25 AM

BigSlik1944...The criminal activity may be better addressed if the calls by law enforcement for more funding aren't constantly being blocked by Republicans in Congress! Like I told MadVette, if you are going to be allowed to purchase and hold these killing machines, you are responsible for their security at all times. Easy access killed the children in Connecticut. The guns will be registered with the state and federal. If the gun is sold, you and the buyer have to make sure it's registered to the buyer. Maybe that could be done with local police. If a gun registered to you was used to commit a crime or kill and you can't prove you provided adequate security, the courts will determine your degreee of liability. (prison?) So, to prevent access, your are responsible for security. Fair?

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BigSlik1944

Jan-30-13 11:45 PM

Some questions bububud. Do criminals register their guns? NO - Do criminals go thru a background check every time they "buy" or steal a gun? NO - Do criminals worry about liability in response to their actions? NO . And although the killings in Chicago are not "mass" killings, they are still criminals doing the killing. And since the deaths in Chicago has already passed Newtown, would you consider that a mass killing? Like you, I would love to be able to live in a perfect violence-free world. But until that day comes, if ever, I will be prepared.

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bububud

Jan-30-13 11:06 PM

MadVette... Access and security are my concerns if I give you the right to possess a killing machine. Is that too much to ask as we continue to bury innocent victims? Liability comes back to you by failing to abide. No more sales without a background check including gunshows or the internet! Granted, criminals will find a way, but that is where law enforcement personnel come in. Criminals aren't doing the mass killings, the guy next door is! I would be taking a chance on you and other "responsible" owners of these killing machines...don't let me down!

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FtDlover

Jan-30-13 10:08 PM

BigSlik - the FEMA army of volunteers you are referring to are the Community Emergency Response Teams. Webster and all the surrounding counties have teams. And, oh yeah, they are not armed. Anybody can put any garbage on google, that doesn't make it fact.

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MadVette

Jan-30-13 8:39 PM

Bu, I do understand your points. Registration will not really do anything. I can take a registered weapon on a rampage as well as a stolen one. What could they do with that information that would prevent anything? It certainly wouldn't stop any nefarious people bent on destruction. The only thing it would be good for is if someday they decided to confiscated them. I have no problem with background checks. I don't have a problem with doing a background check that would be good for a year and then take that paper to a gun show to purchase. It could be recorded by the seller to cover his tail. By the way I am not a paranoid righty. I am just a prepared American Citizen.

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BigSlik1944

Jan-30-13 3:19 PM

Brucee & bu - simply prove me wrong about FEMA. Whether this is King country or not has nothing to do with my comments. As for your "FactCheck", I've found too much information of my comments on Google to dismiss these situations. PROVE me wrong with documentated facts and I will gladly back off.

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BigSlik1944

Jan-30-13 2:58 PM

Brucee & bu - simply prove me wrong about FEMA. Whether this is King country or not has nothing to do with my comments. As for your "FactCheck", I've found too much fonfirmation of my comments on Google to dismiss these situations. PROVE me wrong with documentated facts and I will gladly back off.

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bububud

Jan-30-13 1:45 PM

Brucee...How ya doing bud?...Finally, a friendly voice of reason...I've felt pretty lonely here with these government paranoid righty's! They never seem to question any information they receive from extremist sources. They certainly fear FactCheck because their justification to hate President Obama (America's choice) takes a hit there and they don't want to know the truth. Unjustified hate can be a powerful force! Don't be surprised if you get a few "disagrees"...we'll know where they're coming from! This is Steve King country, ya know!..Good post...

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BigSlik1944

Jan-30-13 1:11 PM

Ok, Brucee. What would a disaster relief agency like FEMA need with 2,500 brand new GLS armored fighting vehicles? According to the agency’s own mandate, as well as President Obama’s recent Executive Order, the answer is ‘population control’ during a time of Martial Law. And they will be paid for ten months; isn't FEMA a volunteer organization? I do hope I'm wrong but all the indicators are out there.

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Brucee

Jan-30-13 12:05 PM

BigSlik - do factcheck and grow-up. Lord the paranoia on this blog anymore is sick.. FEMA Corps is a civilian operation within AmeriCorps, a federal community service program. FEMA Corps prepares and responds to disasters. Its members, ages 18 to 24, carry no weapons. Next you be saying the Peace Corps was an army. Get off it.

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BigSlik1944

Jan-30-13 12:01 PM

bububud, check this out for yourself then draw your own conclusions. ***********facebook****/%2Fhomeland-security-graduates-first-corps-of-obamas-brown-shirts-homeland-youth

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bububud

Jan-30-13 11:41 AM

BigSlik1944...I'm not aware of this volunteer program you've mentioned, but what makes you think they will be armed? The National Guard and police is available for order and security. I would think these first responders would be used in other ways such as providing food or assisting medical personnel. Get off of this righty obsessed government paranoia coming from extremist newsletters, radio, TV (FOX), internet or other sources. Brown Shirts?...NRA leadership and probably about 25% of members qualify there!

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bububud

Jan-30-13 11:22 AM

MadVette...I don't own any guns, but my military service gave me access and training in the use of these killing machines...I understand the attraction or "draw" if you will. Like I said, if I agree that you can buy and hold these weapons, you have to give me something in return. After a thorough background check, retail registers the sale with the state and federal (all guns). No more walk in, buy and walk out at gun shows. If you sell, it's up to you to make sure of the buyers background eligibility and the registration is now in their name. If not, you are still the owner. If the weapon is stolen, you are still liable if you can't prove you provided adequate security..hanging on a wall, in a closet corner or on display in a gun cabinet is not adequate security. It's up to you to provide a "military" type of security! Without, you run the risk of prison. The courts will decide. This is what you have to give to me. None of the mass killers were criminals, just a n

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BigSlik1944

Jan-30-13 11:06 AM

Ok, bubud; if you think DHS is going to protect us read this. On September 13, 2012, the Department of Homeland Security graduated its first class of FEMA Corps first-responders. While the idea of having a volunteer force of tens of thousands of volunteers scattered across the country to aid in times of natural disasters sounds great, the details and timing of this new government army is somewhat curious, if not disturbing. DHS raising an armed army, The first problem one finds with this ‘new army’ is the fact that they are mere children. Yes, 18 is generally the legal age a person can sign a contract, join the military or be tried as an adult. But ask any parent – an 18, 20 or even a 24 year-old is still a naïve, readily-influenced kid.Does any part of this remind you of Hitler's Brown Shirt Army? If not, it should.

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MadVette

Jan-30-13 9:06 AM

Bu,There are already penalties in place if I am not responsible. There have been many lawsuits over deaths caused by easily obtained guns. In Iowa it is against the law I believe to privately sell a gun to a minor or a handgun to anyone that does not have a permit to buy or a ccw. Not sure if there is a jail/fine penalty or just a civil action if someone is hurt. I don't know the law for sure so don't quote and ridicule me if I am wrong. I have sold a couple of my guns over the years, and have on file the name and DL number of the buy and copy of the buy permit. Obviously I cannot run a check on them. I do not have probs with background checks as I stated previously. So exactly what would relieve the gun owner of liability in your opinion. Not arguing, just asking.

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MadVette

Jan-30-13 8:56 AM

Bu, actually any gun bought is actually already registered. How do you think they trace them with serial numbers? The manufacturer provides retail, retail has a record of who bought it. Even weapons sold privately can be tracked that way. If I sold you a weapon and you went nuts and it was traced back to me, you can bet I would tell them who I sold it to. Registration is not effective. Above scenario, they come to me, and low and behold it is missing from my collection. Darn, must have been stolen and I didn't realize it. So spell out exactly under what circumstances I should be held accountable. I actually do have a steel gun safe. How can I be responsible if someone breaks into my house and safe?

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bububud

Jan-30-13 2:02 AM

MadVette...No registration, no deal bud! Cars weren't manufactured to be used to kill humans in large numbers, the killing machines were! You will be responsible for security of the weapon and I don't care if you have to build a steel vault in your home! Ya see, I'm a reasonable guy willing to compromise. If non users have to give up something, gun proponents do too! Registration and responsibility for security...the courts will determine the penalty for failure to abide. Take it or leave it! Innocent deaths DO mean something afterall!

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MadVette

Jan-30-13 12:35 AM

I won't agree to registration. Registration can then easily become confiscation. I do agree weapon owners would be responsible at times. If I leave a weapon easily accessible to a child, someone whom I know to be unbalanced, or someone that has made threats to someone, then I can see some type of legal and/or civil action. If someone breaks into my house and steals the weapon and subsequently uses it, then no. If someone breaks into your house and steals the keys to your car, I don't think there is any liability if he hits someone.

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bububud

Jan-30-13 12:16 AM

MadVette...You can have your killing machines and all the stuffed magazines you want...the weapon must be registered and if someone other than yourself gains access to the weapon and commits a crime or kills, you are held responsible...agreed? We'll just look upon the innocent dead as being in the wrong place at the wrong time, yah, that'll cover it..fate in other words! OK? So, possible higher taxes and responsibility for access is considered a fair solution?

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MadVette

Jan-29-13 8:39 PM

Hbock, I agree wholeheartedly with you. I too am a just leave me be type. Unfortunately libs can't stand to let anyone live without telling them how to live. Why pray tell Bu do we have gun-free zones if they aren't safe? I was under the impression that banning weapons in schools, malls, etc. was supposed to be the answer to violence. Gun controls do not work, period. Criminals don't follow laws. Why is that so hard to swallow? Must be because then they don't have control over us so called gun nuts. Invest in precious metals: Stainless, Brass, and Lead.

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bububud

Jan-29-13 5:40 PM

MadVette...This is America...there is no such thing as a "gun-free safe place!" BigSlick1944..Believe me, I would put my trust in the DHS in dealing with terrorists before any government paranoid righty with a gun! hbockoven...Sounds like you can hardly wait for the shooting to begin! Shoot and ask questions later, right? I fear to even imagine a future America with your kind in charge!

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MadVette

Jan-29-13 5:08 PM

BigSlick, I didn't figure you were talking to me about the flowers. And Hbock I believe was just quoting from Bu's previous posting and was rebutting his(bu's) line of reasoning.

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BigSlik1944

Jan-29-13 4:23 PM

Madvette, my comments about putting flowers and waking up were NOT aimed towards you, they were aimed at bububud; and I'm not about to put my trust in DHS protecting me from "wood-be" terrorists as you call them. And hbockoven, there may be 300 million NOW, but what will happen if BHO and his cronies Holder & Feinstein get their way. And by the way, why are there "joint training exercises" going on in Miami, FL and Houston, TX?

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