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Budget shortfall looms

Fort Dodge officials coming to grips with $380,000 deficit; Shortfall is in fund that pays for police, fire departments

January 8, 2013

Fort Dodge officials are wrestling with a roughly $380,000 difference between the city’s expected general fund revenue and the amount it will take to pay for providing local government services in......

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ftdodger

Jan-08-13 3:16 AM

We got the growth, just ask Plautz. They just gad their back pat banquet not too long ago. We just spend the money to get the growth... Someday, reality will set in - I hope. Money can buy anything, especially retail stores and duplexes.

Pop quiz: Does anyone know how many millions of debt the City of Fort Dodge has?

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FDTROOPER

Jan-08-13 8:00 AM

another quiz is does a city our size need 40 cops and 31 firerfighters?

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BrentIA

Jan-08-13 8:02 AM

Cut all municipal employee salary and benefits 25% to bring into line with private sector. PROBLEM SOLVED!

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comment8er

Jan-08-13 12:56 PM

Hey, why don't we construct a blue neon line running down the side of the Law Enforcement Center? (oh....I guess we did try that) Well, how about more roundabouts?

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Anderson

Jan-08-13 3:18 PM

All subsidies, tax increment financing included, inevitably results in misallocation of resources and less tax revenue. Anyone surprised is an economic ignoramus.

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TAXEDENOUGH

Jan-08-13 4:10 PM

How much money was made at the golf course and the Aquatic center. When they built the Aquatic center they said it would be a monet maker but I haven't seen any reports in the paper.

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Fairplay

Jan-08-13 6:34 PM

Isn't Monet like an artist or something?

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jamesf

Jan-09-13 7:36 PM

Why are my comments deleted? Not stared out(*******) or anything, but just deleted?

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jamesf

Jan-09-13 7:39 PM

If I am banned from comenting Mr. Messenger, please let me know so I can save my time and yours.

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jamesf

Jan-09-13 7:43 PM

I think I figured it out. I was comming down hard on Fairplay, and the powers that be (Messenger monitior) must have not liked it.

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TAXEDENOUGH

Jan-09-13 8:19 PM

jamesf, I read your post on Fairplays comment about working at a fast food place and I could not have agreed more on your comment and I see no reason why it was deleted. It would be nice if the messenger would send you a comment on why your post was deleted.

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Anderson

Jan-12-13 11:13 AM

Does Fairplay have any idea of all that someone working at McD's learns re work habits, business organization and human interaction? Those jobs put youth in touch with reality, often for the first time in their lives these days. The denigration of such employment, as in the "McJobs" epithet, is a disservice to both our youth and our country.

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BWiser

Jan-12-13 2:39 PM

I'm with you Taxedenough. I heard (unofficially-and it may just be a rumor) that the aquatic center was in the red this year. I found that difficult to believe , thinking that the very hot summer we had, would have made it a popular spot to go. Does anyone know where the finances for the aquatic center can be obtained?

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ileftdodge

Feb-18-13 10:40 AM

FDTROOPER, 31 firefighters for FDis UNDERstaffed IMO. I realize you do not have a firefighting background or you would know this. I am a FF in a different state so my view is objective. On a "simple" residential fire, you need one guy to 'catch the hydrant,' the driver isn't going inside because he's going to be at the pump panel pumping water, the officer may not be going if he needs to be the incident commander or is assigned as Operations Officer, so if there are four guys on the engine that leaves one, maybe two to pull a line into the residence. Problem is one person should not go in by themself. Also, pulling a charged hose line is not an easy task even for two guys as there are obstacles to maneuver around, and that in ZERO visibility and temps that can be from 300-1500 degrees. So now, you need one of the guys from the ladder company to help with an engine guy's job, setting back the ladder company. But then there's the 2 in, 2 out regulation by OSHA, stating if

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ileftdodge

Feb-18-13 10:54 AM

...2 need to be outside ready to go find the 2 inside if something happens to them. So let's do the math at this point, 1 driver, 1 hydrant man, 1 incident commander, (heck, I'll assume this position is filled by a chief officer and so the officer on the engine can be the 2nd interior firefighter). There's 4 firefighter's right there. Now the ladder company's job is to force entry if needed, search and rescue victims, provide ventilation (verticle vent means cutting holes in the roof if needed, which requires at least 2 firefighters, or they may be able to get by with horizontal vent work (strategically taking out windows), ladder company work by the way is often the most dangerous jobs on the fireground because you're working on or above the fire floor, many times without the protection of a hose line. So let's say 2 from the ladder are assigned to be outside for the 2 in/2 out rule, 2 are assigned to do vent work, 2 are assigned to do search and rescue. That's 6 from the ladder

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ileftdodge

Feb-18-13 10:54 AM

...2 need to be outside ready to go find the 2 inside if something happens to them. So let's do the math at this point, 1 driver, 1 hydrant man, 1 incident commander, (heck, I'll assume this position is filled by a chief officer and so the officer on the engine can be the 2nd interior firefighter). There's 4 firefighter's right there. Now the ladder company's job is to force entry if needed, search and rescue victims, provide ventilation (verticle vent means cutting holes in the roof if needed, which requires at least 2 firefighters, or they may be able to get by with horizontal vent work (strategically taking out windows), ladder company work by the way is often the most dangerous jobs on the fireground because you're working on or above the fire floor, many times without the protection of a hose line. So let's say 2 from the ladder are assigned to be outside for the 2 in/2 out rule, 2 are assigned to do vent work, 2 are assigned to do search and rescue. That's 6 from the ladder

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ileftdodge

Feb-18-13 11:05 AM

..****pany. Trouble is, I believe FDFD has a minimum of 6 or 7 firefighters on duty at any given time. For the necessary jobs just described that's not enough manpower. What gets out? I'll tell you it's not the search and rescue...the firefighters will not forsake a citizen. So will it be vertical ventilation? This necessary job can prevent a flashover - something that will kill firefighter's in a few seconds. Will it be the 2 in 2 out rule, and let's just hope the stuff don't hit the fan and interior crews need rescued? Keep in mind this was just a "simple, bread and butter" operation. What if the fire is well involved? Or it's hidden in the walls (lotta work tearing walls, ceilings out/down)? What if it's an apartment building with multiple rescues urgent? Really, in theory, if manpower permits two interior hose lines should always be pulled and charged (what if the first line ruptures?) If fire conditions warrant 2 lines there's at least 2 more men needed...

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ileftdodge

Feb-18-13 11:18 AM

Another thing to consider is what's called rehab for the FFs. It's hard to imagine the heat and strain on a body from even a 'simple' fire. They need to rehab, get fluids in, cool down, let the heart rate come back down. Will this suffer if there are not enough guys to do the work and the work remaining is a lot? You can call more guys in to work, but that takes time, and they will need the same amount of support to back them up. The point I am sincerely trying to make is that there is a LOT of work to be done and it requires sufficient manpower to do it safely for all involved. So do answer your Q, 'does a town the size of FD need 31 firefighters?' No - they need more, (IMO, they should always have enough manpower to have 2 fully staffed engine companies and 1 fully staffed ladder company) but that probably will never happen. Take a look at the link below and realize this dept sent 12 fully staffed companies to make 20 rescues. If your loved one was one of them, how many FFs

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ileftdodge

Feb-18-13 11:22 AM

...would you want coming? Would 31 across three different shifts be too many? (the number 31 probably includes chief officers who more than likely would not be going in). Here's the link: *******chattanoogan****/2013/2/18/244644/Firefighters-Rescue-Many-Occupants-From.aspx I truly hope this proves helpful. What do you think?

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FDFIRST

Feb-18-13 1:45 PM

Bottom Line, your property taxes are going UP! But hey, we all can go to the A/C and cool off this summer(if the fee doesn't go up too high and you can get there when it's open).

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